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VEC Race 4 - 6 hours of Spa

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Tom Lartilleux said:
Hi everyone!

This post may come from a bit of frustration due to today's result on our side, but there are things I'd like to express in regards to the driving standards this year. This is my second year in VEC, and definitely not my first time in endurance racing as I've been in top endurance racing championships like LMVS in the past.

There truly are some serious issues with driving standards. Just today, I have been involved in a collision at the bus stop chicane (hit from the rear by an LMP2) and avoided another 3 incidents. Later, we have been killed top of Raidillon in an incident in which we were complete passengers. These incidents occur due to poor maneuvers, divebombs, no space given, random swerving, utter lack of track awareness/attention or unsafe rejoin. There were also a lot of issues for many cars in Raidillon, some even tried to overtake through that corner (just why??).

Everyone has got a goal to achieve in this championship eventually. Some want to win and perform incredibly well, some others want to have fun and enjoy some endurance racing on rF2, but the common base for all to make this series great is to respect one another on track. Just saying, but the last few events have seen quite some drama and have been really bad looking for all of us. We have to do better, and we need everyone to do better. Let's make sure Daytona is a better race than the past few meetings.
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I fully agree with what you wrote above, my approach to these races is as if they were real, but from what I'm seeing not everyone has this approach, which I don't condemn as long as they don't affect other people's races;

small example is the accident that happened behind me in raidillon, as me and the car behind saw and respected the yellow flags I also expect those behind to do the same, but they didn't and we saw what it happened (it's really simple, you see the yellow flags, plus you're in one of the most dangerous points on the track, both virtually and in reality, raise the accelerator, that's it).
I have found myself several times in situations where prototypes have tried to lap in places above the limit instead of losing those 2 tenths to lap me in a "safer" way (I don't pretend that it is 100% safe, but that at least that the risk of disaster is minimised), also found myself overtaking some GT3 that had no intention of letting me pass without even raising the accelerator at all (where 99% of the time results in a situation where both lose more time than which is normally lost), many times I was pushed off the track by some car without the slightest reason (was the gt3 at its limit? no it simply preferred to go full throttle completely ignoring my presence on the outside or simply turning on me mid/exit of the turn).

I'm definitely stating the obvious but if that was the case these things wouldn't happen.
What I want to say is: there are those who are here to have fun, those who are here to win and those who are here for both, but why don't we give each other a hand on the track? Why don't GTs leave that extra space to make overtaking easier? why do the prototypes (both lmp2 and lmh) think twice before overtaking? I think the key word in all this is RESPECT of each other, which I personally put it before the performance on the track given that each team invests a lot of time preparing for these races, and time cannot be recovered;
we all make mistakes, myself included and I absolutely don't call myself a saint, but goodness me, we are better than what we are showing off.
Hopefully Daytona will be better for everyone, see ya on track!
 
Luca Martino said:
I fully agree with what you wrote above, my approach to these races is as if they were real, but from what I'm seeing not everyone has this approach, which I don't condemn as long as they don't affect other people's races;

small example is the accident that happened behind me in raidillon, as me and the car behind saw and respected the yellow flags I also expect those behind to do the same, but they didn't and we saw what it happened (it's really simple, you see the yellow flags, plus you're in one of the most dangerous points on the track, both virtually and in reality, raise the accelerator, that's it).
I have found myself several times in situations where prototypes have tried to lap in places above the limit instead of losing those 2 tenths to lap me in a "safer" way (I don't pretend that it is 100% safe, but that at least that the risk of disaster is minimised), also found myself overtaking some GT3 that had no intention of letting me pass without even raising the accelerator at all (where 99% of the time results in a situation where both lose more time than which is normally lost), many times I was pushed off the track by some car without the slightest reason (was the gt3 at its limit? no it simply preferred to go full throttle completely ignoring my presence on the outside or simply turning on me mid/exit of the turn).

I'm definitely stating the obvious but if that was the case these things wouldn't happen.
What I want to say is: there are those who are here to have fun, those who are here to win and those who are here for both, but why don't we give each other a hand on the track? Why don't GTs leave that extra space to make overtaking easier? why do the prototypes (both lmp2 and lmh) think twice before overtaking? I think the key word in all this is RESPECT of each other, which I personally put it before the performance on the track given that each team invests a lot of time preparing for these races, and time cannot be recovered;
we all make mistakes, myself included and I absolutely don't call myself a saint, but goodness me, we are better than what we are showing off.
Hopefully Daytona will be better for everyone, see ya on track!
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one off the rules is, that a faster car always have to pass a slower car at a save way
offcourse when we can we leave a bit space if its easy to do
but as you say,in a lot of corners, medium to high speed we are on the limit at corner exit and then still try to pass outside
even cars that drive at p15 or p16, with a few laps down on the next car, make stupid pass actions.

that is for me not done, do they still want to win the race?
 
Luca Martino said:
I fully agree with what you wrote above, my approach to these races is as if they were real, but from what I'm seeing not everyone has this approach, which I don't condemn as long as they don't affect other people's races;

small example is the accident that happened behind me in raidillon, as me and the car behind saw and respected the yellow flags I also expect those behind to do the same, but they didn't and we saw what it happened (it's really simple, you see the yellow flags, plus you're in one of the most dangerous points on the track, both virtually and in reality, raise the accelerator, that's it).
I have found myself several times in situations where prototypes have tried to lap in places above the limit instead of losing those 2 tenths to lap me in a "safer" way (I don't pretend that it is 100% safe, but that at least that the risk of disaster is minimised), also found myself overtaking some GT3 that had no intention of letting me pass without even raising the accelerator at all (where 99% of the time results in a situation where both lose more time than which is normally lost), many times I was pushed off the track by some car without the slightest reason (was the gt3 at its limit? no it simply preferred to go full throttle completely ignoring my presence on the outside or simply turning on me mid/exit of the turn).

I'm definitely stating the obvious but if that was the case these things wouldn't happen.
What I want to say is: there are those who are here to have fun, those who are here to win and those who are here for both, but why don't we give each other a hand on the track? Why don't GTs leave that extra space to make overtaking easier? why do the prototypes (both lmp2 and lmh) think twice before overtaking? I think the key word in all this is RESPECT of each other, which I personally put it before the performance on the track given that each team invests a lot of time preparing for these races, and time cannot be recovered;
we all make mistakes, myself included and I absolutely don't call myself a saint, but goodness me, we are better than what we are showing off.
Hopefully Daytona will be better for everyone, see ya on track!
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Its quite funny to read statement from team which almost end our car multiple times this season…for example your driver tried to overtake me in blanchimont, sent me off ( thanks to my quick reaction we didnt crash ), another your driver sent me off in no name corner…so…please be so good and try to implement respect to your own drivers than punish the others. Thank you
 
Hi everyone,
As others have already said, this latest race has once again ended in an enormous frustration. I've also noticed a very different level of driving and behaviour on the track.
Some drivers were very clean and seemed perfectly prepared, while others seemed to be discovering the track!
After 3 hours of racing, I was involved in an accident with a GT car that took over 10 minutes to repair! This time, it was a driver who lost his GT at the top of the Raidillon just in front of me. Inevitable shock and a ruined race.
Some GTs were running in the middle of the track approaching turns, and some LMP2s or LMHs were overtaking and coming down on me...
During qualifying, I was even attacked by another LMP2 during 2 fast laps!
Anyway, I'm very disappointed by this kind of unprepared, careless and disrespectful behavior, which is repeated at every race.
 
Thierry Veillon said:
Hi everyone,
As others have already said, this latest race has once again ended in an enormous frustration. I've also noticed a very different level of driving and behaviour on the track.
Some drivers were very clean and seemed perfectly prepared, while others seemed to be discovering the track!
After 3 hours of racing, I was involved in an accident with a GT car that took over 10 minutes to repair! This time, it was a driver who lost his GT at the top of the Raidillon just in front of me. Inevitable shock and a ruined race.
Some GTs were running in the middle of the track approaching turns, and some LMP2s or LMHs were overtaking and coming down on me...
During qualifying, I was even attacked by another LMP2 during 2 fast laps!
Anyway, I'm very disappointed by this kind of unprepared, careless and disrespectful behavior, which is repeated at every race.
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Good afternoon,

First of all, I think the contact was avoidable, as when you hit the GT3, it was off the track. Secondly, I'm not sure if it's very respectful on your part to enter our channel in the middle of the race to reprimand us for the collision without seeing the incident first, as it happened, we are not at fault (from our perspective).

Also, you used words in your language that we couldn't understand.

See you in Daytona!
 
Gold Esports and MFX PRO are shown to have scored P3 and P6 respectively in Div 1 at Spa, yet they exceeded the driving time percentage rule. wouldn't that lead to a DQ and 0 points ?
 
Joonas Raivio said:
I feel like there needs to be a mandatory test race for every round going forward, the driving standards this season have been the worst I've ever experienced during the 13 years I've simraced. At this point I'd also start handing race bans for the entire teams instead of just single drivers because it really is not working at moment.

Judging the performance of some guys yesterday it feels like they didn't practice enough to know that the tires can be too cold and not have the grip to fully attack eau rouge/raidillon.:rolleyes:

Having to avoid big crashes every single start, losing rear wing once and engine twice (in a row) is not how I expected lap 1 of our first 4 races to go and can only hope div2 is cleaner.
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No Joonas, DIV 2 is no better :(
 
Darius Andrei said:
It should be a DQ and 45 participation points no?
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This is from R1:
Post race - #32 exceed driver limit time on T Goya with 76% and is therefor DQ´ed. Points recalculated and standings updated, entry still gets participation points, so you should be getting participation points.
 
Hi all!
As everyone already said the driving standards were not that good again. Very much do or die actions that could have taken us out of the race many times.
But I noticed the penalty points were 24. So 4 points per hour. I think it must pay off to stay on track. So maybe it is better to reduces the penalty points to 2 points per hour or something. It was too easy with 24 points in 6 hour race imho. Maybe the driving standards will also get better as you just need to stay on the track.
 
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Pim van Ark said:
Hi all!
As everyone already said the driving standards were not that good again. Very much do or die actions that could have taken us out of the race many times.
But I noticed the penalty points were 24. So 4 points per hour. I think it must pay off to stay on track. So maybe it is better to reduces the penalty points to 2 points per hour or something. It was too easy with 24 points in 6 hour race imho. Maybe the driving standards will also get better as you just need to stay on the track.
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I got a cut on Blanchimont because a LMP cut me off at the last second and my car lost the front end and I had to go wide. Parked the car on track for 4.5s and still got 2.5 point penalty
 
Pim van Ark said:
Hi all!
As everyone already said the driving standards were not that good again. Very much do or die actions that could have taken us out of the race many times.
But I noticed the penalty points were 24. So 4 points per hour. I think it must pay off to stay on track. So maybe it is better to reduces the penalty points to 2 points per hour or something. It was too easy with 24 points in 6 hour race imho. Maybe the driving standards will also get better as you just need to stay on the track.
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Penalty points will be adjusted - however some tracks are not set up as good. But Daytona will be different
 
Pim van Ark said:
Hi all!
As everyone already said the driving standards were not that good again. Very much do or die actions that could have taken us out of the race many times.
But I noticed the penalty points were 24. So 4 points per hour. I think it must pay off to stay on track. So maybe it is better to reduces the penalty points to 2 points per hour or something. It was too easy with 24 points in 6 hour race imho. Maybe the driving standards will also get better as you just need to stay on the track.
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And now we head to Daytona where the bus stop is a gamble, especially for prototypes. I'd lower the points to 3 per hour, but IMO, for Daytona at least, it needs to stay as it is.
 
Timotej Andonovski said:
And now we head to Daytona where the bus stop is a gamble, especially for prototypes. I'd lower the points to 3 per hour, but IMO, for Daytona at least, it needs to stay as it is.
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Yeah no you won’t get 96 points ;) but that is a different discussion for a different thread. This is not the reason for drivers not able to race without crashing into each other. We have used this since well since it got implemented.
 
Hello everyone!

My sincerest apologies to car #242 for the bump at the "Pouhon / Double Gauche" corner.

I was totally taken by surprise by the false rhythm with the GT3 in front of us.

Sorry about that.
 
Hi all. Some photos from Spa-FranCUTSchamps :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:


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